Some serious concerns have been reported about certain brands/batches of Purina pet food:
Consumer complaints about Purina Pet Foods
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Some serious concerns have been reported about certain brands/batches of Purina pet food:
Consumer complaints about Purina Pet Foods
Thank you for bring that to my attention HB. I don't feed my cats Purina but I will email all people that have had kittens from me to warn them.
Thanks again!!
Ummm...did i miss something here?
Ahh I see. I didn't realise all that business was still going on, i thought this was just a general heads-up about bad cat food.
For the record, all mine eat RC dry food.
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Originally Posted by candes
AS I am one of the posters of Raw food photos, as my cats are fed a raw diet, I can only presume for some reason that this is a dig at me though I have no clue why?
You have posted one negative article about the dangers of feeding raw food, there are many article out there that also100 percent agree with feeding raw? Just because a VET wrote it does not make it right its his opinion that’s all. Some vets are owned body and soul by dried food manufacturers… When Mathyuis lost all his coat, I was offered every single EXPENSIVE prescription diet there was, none of them made him better, the only made him more sick because he would not eat it..
We all have our ways of doing things, and bad experience can cloud our judgment, but I did my research… and YOU can clearly read from past posts NO one was a more supporter of RC that I.. I spent over 700 euros a month with them…
My cats diets have been especially thought out, I have got to a lot of trouble to ensure that my cats get everything they require for their daily need and then some.
I understand you being anti-RAW given the circumstances, but one posting that says RAW food is dangerous! does not outweigh the many that say that RAW food is good.
It’s all about preparation, hygiene and buying the best quality food you can
I read on another post I think written by Antonia, that most cats unless totally starving will not eat bad meat and she is right, I took out a batch of chicken once and unknown to me the fridge which I store my meat in when I take it out of the freezer had been accidentally turned down when I out the meat in it… I out it all out for the cats and they walked away.
YOU had a bad experience with RAW , I had a bad experience with Dried, that does not mean I say all dried is bad? You can have a perfectly good dried food and store it in the wrong conditions and this also can make you animal sick.
I have been feeding the RAW diet for the past 7 months now.. and to be honest with you nothing will make me go back, I have healthy cats, with shiny coats, who have lots of energy and muscle and much less fat.
They have strong clean teeth, and they have a new lease of life but its my choice, they are my cats, my kittens are reared BARF, but if a new owner who has paid a deposit wishes me to feed them half and half for their own convenience I will and they will get Orijen Cat food as well as raw.. But fed again in the correct way as feeding both raw and buiscuits at the same time is not good unless there is a long time in between meals.
To turn it on it butt... I have also read on here many posting about Dried food with different companies being called back, withdrawn... etc etc...
You postings are personal and not very nice, and maybe its the way they are written which is taken badly not what you write.
I will not get in to a slanging match with you Candes.. Every one is entitled to their own opinion, I have mine you have yours and many others have theirs.. on a forum like this, with in reason we are allowed to share our experiences etc etc...
But I and the other raw feeders, did not make negative comments about you, so please keep them to your self!
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Originally Posted by candes
Candes, go and find someone else to fall out with, you really are showing your self up!!
I am no longer going to bother answering your posts, I have not made you look bad, you did that all by your self.
Now please go find someone else to hassle...
Candes why don't you just accept that there is another opinion apart from yours. I and others will continue to feed our cats the best diet that we see fit for them, and you nor anyone else harping on and on with only your own poor attempts as your "experience" will ever change our opinions. I have a non MC cat who is raw fed and would have died had I given him the smallest amount of commercial cat food due to the additives and by products in it. I have happy healthy cats - do you? Well I will feed mine what I choose and have vet records to show is the best diet for them and you feed yorus what you think and shut up with the telling others how to think and what to feed. I have never pushed raw down anyone's throat and would appreciate the commercial feeders not doing the same. On other sites it has been said that raw is best but that some people slate it as they see it as the expensive option but I weigh up the slightly increased cost in relation to the discomfort and feelings of my cats if they needed vet dental work and all the chemicals of anesthetics etc and ........... well the cats won and will continue to eat, enjoy and thrive on a raw diet.
(bet your really pleased I'm back!)
um, ok -- I guess I'll just continue to feed my boyz M&Ms (no way am I posting what I feed -- don't want to be virtually lynched!). :shy:
Seriously, I appreciate everyone's viewpoint and information regarding this topic, so I can make my own decision.
We all want what's best for our fur-babies - that's why we're here. :smile:
Well said!! Both!
I hope that no one in my post reads them as I dictate that YOU must feed BARF that was never my intention, my intention was to answer the question, BARF Versus other foods, I chose RAW.. simple..
When I sell a kitten this kitten is fed BARF too and if people do not like this then go elsewhere for a kittens simple!! And if people then think they can pay me lip service and say oh yes he will be fed this way then send me a dear Debbie email one week before he is to be delivered, then yes they will have a problem with me!
Since I have started feeding this way I have had adopted several kittens, all those kittens are still BARF fed, and the owners that have other cats prior to mine arriving have also changed, I did not put their arm up their back! they saw the look of the cats and the benefit of BARF to dried.
If a new owner wishes me to feed half and half I am happy to do this once a deposit is paid, but if you know I feed BARF and then say oh well he will as soon as I get him/her, then he/she only get buiscuits then thats the wrong attitude is all I will say.
There is also a matter of listening, I feed BARF for my own reasons stated above, and it is an expensive alternative but it suits me. But when you feed BARF you have to understand that you just can't like one person said to me, they will get a couple of chicks in the morning and then have dried food down all day for the rest of the time? That wrong also as I pointed out to this person more than once... Giving her links to many BARF websites in English so she could read them.
The digestive time for BARF and Dried are different, so if you are going to feed BARF and buiscuits there has to be many hours between feeds to ensure that the cats has digested the BARF food which takes longer to digest, so if you feed chicks/ meat etc in the morning then the buiscuits can be put down at supper time or when you go to bed...
The best tale of all is my two pet Abyssinians recently sent to the States, they have their own blog.
Wendy and Mark feed a brand of Raw called Natures Variety food, which you can get in RAW, tinned, and Buiscuit form, they bought all three. JUST in case lol The Buiscuits are made of organic meat and Vegetables.
They Mark and Wendy had to go to work for half a day leaving the boys at home for the first time, and they were worried they would starve! So they left a dish of buiscuits down for them, after an early breakfast leaving 6 hours digestion time. The boys did not touch a buiscuit, when their mum and dad came home with the RAW minced Lamb dish of the day, that they ate!
Now if certain people wish to jump all over this post then, get on with it.. But I have read and re read my previous posts on this subject and the comments in them have not been me JUMPING on people who do not feed RAW!!
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Originally Posted by candes
That someone you are refering to me Candes is me, I did not get nasty at all with the other person, I asked her where she got her information from which she kindly posted, and when I edited my post and sent it back I must have had it highlighted because un be known to me until your next nasty comment, I did actually have no clue what you was on about.
HOWEVER someone here must have my post in their email copies hey you keep referring to it then why dont you repost it Candes then I and other can see how nasty it is..??
Your quote.. Immature tit for tat. You folks have been posting your raw stuff all along. Never once did I even care. But several folks went crazy with the posts in a hostile response to my article. All in an attempt to censor me.[/B]
Us Folks as you say are allowed to post our comments and show photos, this is a Forum, and here we can feel free to share our own experiences of feeding BARF why to quote your own comment should you care.
We have been reading your posts and that of the "the new member" however no other member has been as you can clearly see replying to your quotes, because quite simply Candes, you rant and tant all by your self.
You quotes on the discussion which is here are actually very personal
http://www.maine-coon-forum.info/raw...ntroversy.html
Candes, one thing I do not do is censor my posts, after my experience with Back Street Breeders, I am more careful what I put is all... But if I really put what I think of your attitude on here I would be banned, and I am not about to do that, as this is a nice forum.
Candes you like the attentions which is why you are not getting any more from me from now on and I think you can clearly see NO one is taking you on on the other page other than the " new member"
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Originally Posted by candes
If that what you think Candes, then think it, PM's as you stated in your previous quotes what did it go like 1...2....3...4.... have told their own story! AND no one other than you and the "new member" have quoted because you have done this before... on other topics.
No one has censored you and no one has censored anyone else, I am, like you entitled to show information and photos of my cats being fed the way I feed them, I do not tell ANYONE who has not adoped a kitten or a cat from me how to feed their cat/kitten.
Its personal choice.
What I expect of my new owners as would any other good breeder who sells kittens and actually cares about their wellbeing, is to follow the diet sheet given to them when they take the cat home, as this is what the cat has been used to while at my home, if they later chose to feed another product thats their choice and this should be done gradually not right away.
I know one lady who recently bought a British that starved himself, he lost over half his body weight because he would not eat the buiscuits he was offered, he was also fed by another breeder not me BARF.
There are pro and cons about every discussion. You had a bad experience and jumped on me and my comments and my photos. But you are the only one that got NASTY Candes..
There is no egg shells, people just cant' be bothered with it, because you disagree anyway.
You have quoted with your 'New Member" so many posts between your selves, that could have been kept to PM or hey we live in the 21st Century try the phone..
This is the only reason I feel people have not quoted. Plus the nastyness within.
Do what you have to Candes, I am far to busy and to old to be playing your games.... but you are on your own... as stated now twice I have re read my comments and there is nothing nasty in them, there is no personal attack on you or the "new Member"
I actually agree that people do not enter this discussion due to being lynched...from both sides. This thread is ugly and personal. I suggest that people post an article or information and discuss the article/information only. Personal experience is helpful to a point, but from watching this topic for a long time it is clear that you can have a happy healthy cat on a varied array of diets (maybe not a purina diet?) and there is no clear winner, so it comes down to personal choice.
Not everyone is into BARF, and that's OK.
I think you (Debbie/Candes/Catslave) need to have a good hard look at the way in which you are coming across on this forum, it is not a welcome or helpful place when you are behaving in this manner.
And that's my rant...
Enough already!
Whatever you feed your cats, it could always be worse.
If anyone wants more info on my new "MickyB MickyD" diet please pm me.
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Oh and don't tell me the BurgerKing diet is better...i won't hear it.
(see how silly you are all being :)
Please accept my apologies for my last post.
It was purely a (misguided) attempt to make you all smile this morning.
There was no malice intended and I'm sorry :(
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Originally Posted by MickB
Hahaha love it but Mick burger king fries are better!!!!!
I must get a shot of the Roxynandiet..........Try eating a friday night chat with her paw about.........I've got a lovely curry paw print on a pair of my fav jeans!! Not a diet for your georg Nanuk though xx
Candes I stopped using this forum as much when you became active on here again........you left alone for a while after the fuss over ncarver if I recall correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
If there is a point made that does not fit into your view you bombard the thread and do come across as very forceful. I agree that I may not agree with some of the points made by others I do not think that a public forum is the place for the responses that I have seen you give, others agree that there are other points of view that are not theirs but once you have got the bit between your teeth you do not seem to have any care other than getting your point across.
Please remember that this is my point of view and not anyone elses, but if I feel this way maybe others do too, lets keep the forum a happy place.
Candes, I ask you to look back at the start of this thread. Imagine you are new to maine coons looking for a friendly forum you can engage in friendly chat to people about the breed, whether you agree with HowlinBobs opening post or not, as soon as you get to your reply, I'm sure most people including myself will find it very negative and feel unnecessarily defensive. The whole 'you said this' 'you said that' thing is not helping anyone so I ask kindly to be more careful what you are writing in future as this is by many times, not the first time your replies are needlesly aggressive. I hope if you read the start of the thread again from an outsiders perspective you will see what I mean.
I was very confused by what I read throughout this whole thread, nothing to do with the original topic 'Dangers of feeding commercial food' which I agree is always a potential problem that we as cat owners need to be kept apprised of.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave
As a new member to this forum, I feel that one on one disputes need to be kept private and not brought out to the forum for all to see. A lot of what was said here is obviously coming from a history that I as a new member have no clue on and if I was a more sensitive person I would have left and asked for my membership to be deleted, but, as I am a seasoned pet owner and not new to forums and the chemistry between people I will remain and just let my discernment be known to the rest of the membership.
This will be my only post in this thread.
I kind of feel responsible because I was the one who first brought up the subject of raw feeding… a long time ago in a galaxy far away, or so it seems to me now. After a while I baled out of the debate for several reasons, personal reasons as well as because I felt the debate had become tedious and unproductive. Though I will always appreciate it that a number of people on here firmly stood their ground…
To the new members who are wondering (rightly so IMO) what all the fuss is about, I would like to say: if you can find the time, please read the original thread – the one I started. You will see the debate was initially very friendly and congenial too. In fact it used to be quite a fun thread. Sadly, it wasn’t to stay that way.
I hope this helps new members understand what happened. Now this is off my chest I am leaving this thread again.
Anna
I'm pretty tied up workwise as having to prepare for trip over to the U.S tomorrow, sadly to New Jersey and not to Maine tho which would have been nice to see. Anyway when I get time I will go through all threads like this and remove the posts which I do not deem to be useful for visitors, so don't be offended if your post is removed, its nothing personal.
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Originally Posted by MickB
Marco loves checking out the woods behind the house - I'm sure that he stops for a quick McMouse and chips when he feels peckish :LOL:
Maybe the thread can be retitiled Insight to Forum Members as opposed to Dangers of feeding commercial (Purina) pet food ? :rofl: I think the top and bottom is that not one food suits all. I have 3 littermates all on different diets and 1 old moggie on a different diet again. To try to get them on the same diet and maintain their individual vitality I do not think will happen in my lifetime. I wish it was different but if I want happy healthy cats, I have to feed them what their bodies are telling them they need as opposed to my preference based on ideology, philosophy, time consumption or price.
Peace out boys and girls. :koolkat:
Mick, you have far too much time on your hands... lol.... xxQuote:
Originally Posted by MickB
If you want to post anything by way of scientific research regarding raw feeding there is a "sticky" at the top of the Diet and Nutrition forum that is for just this purpose. I have put up a few of the articles I have found and, since there is no opportunity for anyone to post any opinion, maybe that would be a good place to put up information you want to share and prevent your frustration with this topic going forward. From all the back reading it I've done it seems that nothing good comes from open debate of the subject.
There was no one single instance but a build up over time, I got to the stage where I did not look at your threads as I come onto this forum for light hearted entertainment, to drool over others pictures and to chat with like minded coonie slaves and where I can to offer help with products as I have in the past with probiotics and the replacement product for SA37.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
If I wanted advise of a more serious nature I would contact one of the vets I know through work as I did when we thought the breeder had got it wrong over Roxy's sex and the best time to get my two fixed, I will never forget that email!!
I have spoken to one non practcing vet who now has his own company and is the vet on set for quite a few films (yes I have seen pics of Hedwig and that how I know the caretakers cat in Harry Potter is an MC, That meeting lost all of it's structure after I found out about that!!) He thinks that the pet food industry has something to answer to in the amount of cats with thyroid problems so I am reasonably informed but would never ram my views across with quite sutch force as you do.
Yes I am facebook friends with a few of the members on here but I am not a sheep following the flock and prefer to make my own mind up and I enjoy reading their posts and seeing their pictures.
As for you accusations of bullying I have never been involved in the sending of PM's about another member, however you must have been involved as untill you mentioned it I had no idea it happened.
I'm sorry if my point of view does not fit but it is mine as you have yours.
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Originally Posted by Helen & John
Very well Put!!
I am actually begining to think the same, about View points as my beliefs and my feeding practices of what is in effect not an over night sensation, but from 34 years of Breeding and owning Pedigree cats, and feeding thus, to include suppliments etc over years... to include Garlic...
No matter what we say or use or prove to be good for our animals opinions will differ... to be honest I wish I have NEVER said I feed BARF, and to be honest I too, am now being to dread my inbox from the Forum....
I am only speaking for my self, when you are joining in on the lighthearted stuff I have no problems with your posts and you videos are always good but its when you get the bit between your teeth that I have the problem as your tone changes and thats what puts me offQuote:
Originally Posted by candes
Now this is exactly why I hate my emails, I can feed my cats Cyanide? a poison is a poison?Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
I wrote on my quote THIS is what I give my cats, I did not tell everyone to rush out and buy it??
I have cats, if you want to look at it in monitary value and this is minimal Value in excess of 25 thousand pounds, and that minimals, I am not going to do anything to hurt or poison them?
I am aware the Sasha had problems but am pretty sure it was down to the breeder not paying attention to the eating habbits of the kittens from what I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
It's the tone of your posts I have the issue with and they way they come across on line.
I mentioned at because it was not down to the diet in my understanding but to how it was fed, if it had been done correctly then Sasha may not have had her problems. When I look at Debbies many photos of her BARF fed cats they look in the prime of health as do Howlingbobs (okay I admit to having a bit of a thing for her latest) but both of them have spent a lot of time looking into the diet and ensuring its fed correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
I see and hear a lot of info from the main vet diets through work and still think it is up to the owner to weigh up all the pros and cons.
My pair have been offered raw bits but turn their noses up at it even when I have 'an accident' preparing our food, a bit of cheese dropping thats a different matter!
Well, you said this earlier in the thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
And people who were around last year during the infamous raw feeding debate may have been left with that impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
Well the article does at least give raw feeding the time of day. But if you follow the advice given and consult your vet, chances are you will be told not to feed raw, since most vets are against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
Look what happens when people disagree with you Candes. You start complaining about censorship and a witch hunt and treading on eggshells. Your tone is not exactly pleasant. This makes it very difficult to debate anything with you. Maybe that is why some people chose to show their disagreement on other threads. It's a shame, because I really believe you love your cats and I think your heart is in the right place.Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
Bingo! Here's where we agree! :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
Erm... Helen... you forgot to include some other raw fed Coonies on here... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Helen & John
Sorry for breaking my promise about not posting anymore in this thread but I couldn't resist. :winkwink:
Seeing as you asked Candes why people seem to be against you I will give you my opinion.
Following the numerous, now thankfully deleted posts by yourself, NCarver, Ellismom to name but a few, in which you basically said that we were harming our cats by feeding them a natural raw diet; I took the time to write down all the scientific research that had been carried out and exactly how cat food is produced and exactly what it contains and what the dangers are for each ingredient and process. You argued that thread as well tying yourself in knots about your research and showing a low intelectual grasp of the processes ie. your arguing that your preferred manufacturer did not use the rendering process even when it was pointed out to you that they do and how it was labelled on the packaging. Incidently that same piece that I wrote on here has been adopted and is used by Worldwide 4A (Action Against Animal Abuse) which I have been an active member of for several years.
To me you appear to trawl this forum for threads in relation to raw feeding and then spam them with your own beliefs. When someone questions what you have said you come across in your posts as talking down to people and treating them as if they are stupid for not automatically agreeing with what you say. You appear in your postings to be launching a personal attack on any member who disagrees with you. This is not discussing nor debating it is as you have confessed to "Preaching".
You quote yourself as being "over educated" however this is not how you come across, as an an example of many my 6 year old grandson can spell "poison" correctly. You post as "scientic fact" things that are simply not true and can never back up your own arguments, instead you launch a childish attack on the other poster.
I believe that your comments with regards to the "PM Gossiping" were aimed at me. This is a situation that you think you know about but do not so I would appreciate your keeping out of what does not concern you and goes far further than just this forum and the members in it; I could post about it but having taken advice from my Solicitor will not be.
And while I am in the mood for correcting your unproven postings- garlic is not poisonous to cats, in fact it is very effective at preventing and killing fleas and is recommended by many vets as it is chemical free. It can be used either in food, tablet form or as an oil on a cats coat.
I will also leave this thread now and make liberal use of the "Ignore" facility on here again.
I do realize this. I was the one who asked if you fed raw after reading your original post remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by candes
It just seems that it would have fit in the context of the designated "sticky" and there would have been no opportunity for rebuttal. Then none of this argument would have gone on.
Here is a list from the ASPCA of what you should not feed cats, including garlic:
http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/poison...ple-foods.aspx
I really have to disagree with your stance on garlic and cats, I have not heard of a vet recommending garlic to cats, if you google garlic and cats you'll find many articles against giving garlic to cats unless you know what you are doing. Garlic, onions and chocolate in large doses are fatal to cats and dogs. I really needed to bring this up as to prevent others from discounting garlic as potentially being harmful or fatal to our beloved pets.Quote:
Originally Posted by catslave
Articles I have found
ASPCA | Is Garlic Toxic to Pets?
Is Garlic Toxic to Pets?
You listed garlic and garlic powder among people foods that should not be given to dogs, but I've always heard garlic is a natural wormer and antibiotic, and very good for dogs. Also, most recipes for homemade dog treats include garlic. Why the contradiction?
- Jaspar Dogs, and especially cats, are sensitive to garlic, Jaspar. Unfortunately, we do not know specifically what dosage causes problems, and it is not yet completely known what breeds and age groups are most sensitive to this toxicity. What we do know is that gastrointestinal problems and red blood cell damage can occur as a result of feeding garlic to pets. An occasional small amount, such as that in most commercial pet foods and treats, may not cause a problem, but because of the risk, we generally recommend that you avoid feeding your pets products that contain more concentrated amounts of garlic.
http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htmHowever, the main reason I'd discourage feeding cats "people food" is that there are a number of foods that are toxic to cats. You may have forgotten that the gravy slathered over your Thanksgiving turkey used broth that was flavored with onion, among other things. While it is tasty and harmless to humans, onions are very toxic to cats. The following is a list of foods that cats should never eat:
Onions, Garlic, & Related Root Vegetables
Onions contain a substance (N-propyl disulphide) which destroys red blood cells in the cat, causing a form of anemia called Heinz body anemia. Garlic contains a similar substance in a lesser amount.
The article continues
The article you quoted has already been used in my previous post, however I doubt a large manufacturer called Denes would make and sell Garlic for cats and dogs if it was going to kill them!Quote:
Originally Posted by deb's_boys
Garlic for Dogs and Cats - Fact Sheet - Denes Natural Pet Care
To quote also one of Candes post, not sure where it is but the mentions of fleas which, she claims she had a problem with after years.
Maybe the reason I have never had fleas is because I use Garlic in small quanties?
The only precautions I take for all my cats and kittens is when I got to show before I go, I frontline my cats as I have seen cats that have got through vetting in that have flea dirt on them
I added this Garlic post as this is what I feed my cats, and I think like I said many times now, I have had cats and Dogs for many years, We also had pigs that we fed with Garlic bread, which was past its sell by date from Supermarkets, the dogs often used to run off with a roll of Garlic bread and all our Dogs lived to a long life just like my cats it was their favourite munch...
You are of course right to post the comments that pet owners need to read and take care, but the same site you used to quote the information against Garlic.. also states that RAW food is bad too!!
ASPCA | People Foods to Avoid Feeding Your Pets
So not all commercial food companies are bad? I thought that was the very point of this thread. Raw good, commercial bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by debbie560
I don't pay attention to other's opinions of what to feed my cats, just the scientific basis and I was just focusing on the fact that garlic can and has the potential to harm our pets. I couldn't care less if that same organization doesn't like raw diets, they may not like cats going outside either, so what. The topic was about garlic being ok for cats and I just had to add to that awareness that it needs to be looked at carefully.
Whoops sorry to Tatja, Monty, Minnie and of course Buddy and Fudge!! In my defense Freddie is teething and I'm running on tea and mars bars at the mo!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonia
I'm sorry but the VMD has passed Denes garlic products and have given them a VM number and Dorwest Herbs Garlic and Fenugreek tablets are listen on the NOAH website for use in cats and dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by deb's_boys
These are the two main drug agencys used by British Vets and if you wish to check on NOAH's website it's open to the public.
