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Before i ask i am NOT after another maine coon my two are just right lol
right i was browsing a certain website last night and came across a litter of 5 registered maine coons (rather cheap aswell) cute as buttons but there ears were all small the reason was the mother was overly clean with them thus stunted the growth of the ears???
How does this happened ie how can washing the kittens ears make the ears stay small?? Can the mother do this to any other part of her kittens body aswell?
Have never heard of this one.... all mums wash their babes continuously so why don't all babes end up with small ears....! Have never heard of anything physical being stunted by over washing,have known a mum {canine} to actually chew the ear on one of her babes which led to a deformity & have known other babes {feline} to chew at the lynx tips of litter mates but "rather cheap" would make me wonder,think I would want to see all registration papers up front on this one,very interesting.
I have heard of mother cats who chew off kittens’ whiskers (Tatja’s mum had done it too) and overgroom their necks so the kittens lose their ruffs. (It will all grow back though.)
Doesn’t one of our forum members (Steve Morgan I believe) have a Coon whose ears have been completely bitten off by the mum? However I can’t imagine a mother cat nibbling the ears of *all* of her kittens. So I share Jackie’s doubts.
That sound a bit sus.....I would be checking all paperwork and checking previous litters.
We have a litter of 5 Pedigree Maine Coon kittens available to go to their new homes soon.. They have been raised in our family home and are very friendly and sociable. Please note that the selling price reflects that their mother has been over attentive in grooming/preening them resulting in stunted ear tip growth.
They can be viewed at any time, along with both parents. They are litter trained, and have been treated with flea spray, and wormed. They will be vet checked and vaccinated before leaving, and will go with a full 5 generation Pedigree Certificate, vet record card, and 4 weeks free insurance.
there is some of advert ive removed colours n price see they say mother has been over attentive with grooming preening there is a picture of them but didnt want to post incase someone on here reconises them lol its just a question as ive never heard of a cat doing this to the whole litter
Hiya Clair, is this it?
pets - Lancashire - Pedigree maine coon kittens for sale.... - APWPMPWJW
Bizarre to say the least. Perhaps the kittens are not pure MC and it's a way to explain away the lack of lynx tips?
Hiya yes but i didnt see it on the website you have posted lol
i dont know as it says they come with all papers and u can veiw mum and dad maybe it is one of them things but im sure she would not of been able to register them if they were not pure bred?
Could the ears grow again once they leave mother or is it permant damage i suppose if there not for show then it doesnt matter as long as they get a lovely home
Not all MCs have lynx tips... my Tatja doesn't have them. It is a desired trait, but not required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sketches
However you are right that it is bizarre to ask a lower price for the kittens because mum overgroomed them... doesn't make sense at all. I'd love to see piccies of that litter.
If by "Lynx tips" they do mean just the "hair part" then yes that will grow back & as Antonia says in her post not all MC have them anyway my Bruce has never had them so can't see why that is a reason to let them go so cheap,I thought that perhaps mum had done something to actually harm their ears which did seem a bit strange for it to have happened to the whole litter..... guess we are never going to know unless someone joins the forum who happens to have just got a MC from that area....
Attachment 6473 How cute are they i will remove picture if not aloud so take a quick look lol there adorable :)
WOW, they are sooooo cute! They they almost have a Scottish Fold look. Definately Maine Coons going by their muzzles.
Antonia, I didnt realise some MC's don't have lynx tips. I'm learning something new every day!
Strange-looking kitties. Haven’t got a clue what could have happened to their ears. Can’t imagine momma cat did that… at least not to the entire litter.
I found the seller’s cattery website and they don’t seem the type who’d try to pass off cross-breeds as pedigrees.
This may sound a little morbid, but maybe a small kid in the household took scissors to the kittens’ ears and the seller is reluctant to admit it…?
Lol sorry that made me giggle if a child done it i really dont think they would all be so uniform they would be haphazard lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Antonia
maybe momma cat licked em off or is there a gene that has done this and it has showed only in this litter i suppose we will never know :) there still adorable and i persume there hearing is fine,
is hoping someone might join with one of said kitties and we can see them grow :)
LOL, actually the reason why I thought of a kid with scissors is that to me it *does* look haphazard. Some kittens' ears are shorter than others', and it even looks like one ear is shorter than the other on some individual kitties. But that could be just the way the photos were taken of course (on another website I saw more pics of the litter than the two you posted).Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairiscrazy
I have been searching for genetic issues which could cause this but couldn't find anything. :conf2:
Persians have small ears exactly like these babes. However if they are a cross surely it would be odd that all 5 have inherited a MC face with Persian ears, or would it? Then again, why not just say they are a cross in the first place (unless it was an accident and the breeder is embarrassed).
I can't find any genetic issues either. But, there is a few bits on the net about cats and dogs biting each others ears. But as Clair says, the ears are fairly uniform so i'm not sure this adds up! Also, once the biting started surely you would separate the kittens from the offending cat/dog before they all ended up like that??
It's a brainteaser!
I had to register when I saw this thread on google, trying to find an answer to why their ears are like that...
So, I went to visit the kittens from this advert on Sunday, hopefully I can explain what the breeder told me.
As the advert says their mother over-groomed them so their ears have become stunted, he removed the kittens from their mother once he realised this was happening. He also said that the mother of this litter tried to clean one of their bengal kittens ears, and ended up over grooming so it too also has a slight nick in it's ear - the mother was moved away again after they realised.
They have only maine coons and bengals in their house, and I have seen both the mother and father of this litter (as well as their many other maine coons!), all of which have normal ears - it is just these 5. They do have children in their house, but I think the youngest is around 14, and she was perfectly helpful throughout the visit - showing us the kittens, doing feeding and cleaning duties etc, So I don't think scissors are the issue. The housing facilities seemed to be great for the cats, plenty of food/litter trays/toys/cat trees on all three floors of their house.
Either way, they explained that because their ears are the way they are nobody would want to pay full price for them, when they could get one with "normal" ears, for the same amount - hence the reduced price. They are going to the vets for their vaccinations in a few weeks as well as an overall health check, he is also going to find out what the vet thinks about their ears - whether they'll grow back, whether they'll have health issues, and what the cause was. Should someone leave a deposit on the kitten and the vet deems it unhealthy, they said the deposit will be refunded.
The only other case I have heard of with over grooming is on Animal Park, with a giraffe called Gertie (think it's on BBC iPlayer), the mother groomed the ears too much, Gertie got septicemia and evenutally died despite their best efforts.
Hopefully that helps! They are really cute though! We have left a deposit for two of them, subject to a healthy Vet check, so will let you know what happens, and can also provide some more pictures :)
PS, sorry for the lengthy post!
Hi & welcome to you & you have answered clairiscrazy's wish,will look forward to updates & seeing what their ears look like as they grow....x
Kaasutii WELCOME thank you for your post :) will look forward to watching these lil guys grow they are just adorable, i two have litter mates ronnie n reggie there 15 weeks old now :)
glad you found this site lots of cute piccies to browse through and see what our kittens will grow into :)
do you know if the mother of the kittens has done this before to a previous litter of hers? Or be bred from again because she may do it again lol
me personaly if the cat was not for show then lil ears would not put me off buying (after a thourogh health check that is lol which is what iss being done with this litter)
let us know how you get on with them look forward to more piccies xxx
Thank you for the welcomes :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Clairiscrazy
I'm pretty sure the mother has not done this to her litters before, if I remember correctly she's had two previous litters. I'm not sure if they plan to breed from her again, can't remember.
The ears are not an issue for me, I think they're adorable, if the vet says they'll grow back that's great, if not that's fine too - as long as they're healthy and not going to cause any problems it's fine by me. We've reserved two brothers, (see the pic below) they're adorable and soo playful, I'm really excited. Their father is absolutely huge though, as are his offspring from previous litters, so hopefully these two will eventually be his size! :)
I took some pictures from when we visited so I'll try upload them...
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These are the ones we placed a deposit on, we plan to name them Franklin, or Frankie for short (the darker one, no white) and Bailey (the one with white chest and paws).
My mum is picking them up on the 7th (again, subject to a healthy vet check, which we also get the vet record card for), and I'll be seeing them on the 16th (University etc), so I will definitely post some more pictures then too, would be nice to see how their ears grow over time. Gives us time to start maine coon-proofing the house at least!
Since they come with their pedigree papers, and we have seen the papers for the parents, they must be full maine coons, regardless of the ear issue?
Sorry for the lengthy post again!
Pesonally I just cant see it being overgrooming. The mother must be something special to keep them all the same
far more likely IMHO is the father was not all MC or was an MC but had small (or very small) ears and thats why they are as in the pic.
Welcome Kaasutii!
Thanks for posting the snaps. Your kittens are gorgeous, they look like big healthy lads.
If they come with paperwork then yes they should be full Maine Coons and apart from the ears they look 100% Maine Coon to me.
The breeder should give you/your mum a transfer of ownership slip when you pick them up.
Will look forward to seeing more pictures as they get older. Enjoy your new babies :rofl:
Without boring everyone who has heard this particular rant from me before - just because they've got a "pedigree certificate" doesn't make them "pedigree". Anyone can produce a pedigree. Go on to Pawpeds and pick some random MC names, put them into Breeder Assist and Hey-Presto! You've got a pedigree! The original ad does not say these kittens are registered? If they are not registered with the GCCF, Felis Britannica (FIFe) or TICA then they are not pedigree. To be able to register the kittens both parents must be on the "Active Register" - meaning their original breeder sold them with permission to breed from them, i.e. not as Pets. As long as you get the transfer slip (the legal piece of registration paperwork that allows you to legally change the kitten from being owned by the breeder to being owned by yourself) then everything is above board. If not you just bought an expensive moggie :sad2:
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Originally Posted by Wendy1969
On the advert i saw they are tica registered :)
The link took me to this ad:
Pedigree maine coon kittens for sale. We have a litter of 5 Pedigree Maine Coon kittens available to go to their new homes soon. The litter comprises a Brown Classic Tabby male, a Brown and White Classic Tabby male, a Brown and White Mackerel Tabby male, a Brown Tortie female, and a Brown and White Tortie female. They have been raised in our family home and are very friendly and sociable. Please note that the selling price of £200 reflects that their mother has been over attentive in grooming/preening them resulting in stunted ear tip growth. They can be viewed at any time, along with both parents. They are litter trained, and have been treated with flea spray, and wormed. They will be vet checked and vaccinated before leaving, and will go with a full 5 generation Pedigree Certificate, vet record card, and 4 weeks free insurance. Photos available on request.
I can't see any mention of TICA?
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Originally Posted by Wendy1969
Thats because if you read my reply the link the person put up was not from the website i saw the advert on :) im not mentioning website but it does state age of kittens age when ready to leave mother n father can be seen registered TICA health checks yes and so forth :)
